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3:19 pm July 27, 2010
| ArtofExtraction
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I'll try a 17g and an 18g shot tonight. And you are right, espresso only; no espresso based milk drinks. Straight espresso. I forgot to mention, not that it makes a lot of difference since the taste is all that really matters, but it had great crema; I would say, 90% or greater right out of the portafilter. It dissipated fairly quickly to around 50% – 60%, but it was really pretty right into the cup.
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3:03 pm July 27, 2010
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ArtofExtraction said:
I do overdose. Before I do anything I try to research it throroughly; perhaps too thoroughly. As a result, when I bought my Silvia, I purchased a three shot basket for the naked portafilter I got with it. I usually dose 21 grams of grinds for my 2 oz shot. So I do overdose the shot. It may just be the profile of the Mysore Nuggets because I had never used that as a SO shot before.
Have you tried dosing 17g or 18g for a double shot? This amount seems to work really well, although, I haven't had any experience pulling espresso shots with single origin's. Now SO's would be good for straight shots, but would never for milk based drinks.
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2:57 pm July 27, 2010
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Post edited 3:47 pm – July 27, 2010 by coffeewriter
Jason Coffee said:
Now a 6k commercial machine that's what I am talkin about!
But seriously you could find a nice commercial roaster in around the $800-$1,500 range but it would need a little work.
I really need to try out that Mypressi Twist, do you have one?
Once I have all the basic brewers, I'll drop the $6k. I don't plan on learning to roast anytime soon though.
I do not have a Mypressi Twist, yet. But I did just order a Presso and Aero Press and should get them this week or next. I think the Mypressi is great to make a shot of 'spro without really trying. That's why I got the Presso first, it's a challenge and basically the same price.
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1:37 pm July 27, 2010
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I do overdose. Before I do anything I try to research it throroughly; perhaps too thoroughly. As a result, when I bought my Silvia, I purchased a three shot basket for the naked portafilter I got with it. I usually dose 21 grams of grinds for my 2 oz shot. So I do overdose the shot. It may just be the profile of the Mysore Nuggets because I had never used that as a SO shot before.
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10:54 am July 26, 2010
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Now a 6k commercial machine that's what I am talkin about!
But seriously you could find a nice commercial roaster in around the $800-$1,500 range but it would need a little work.
I really need to try out that Mypressi Twist, do you have one?
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7:16 am July 26, 2010
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In addition to adjusting the grind throughout the day, have your tried differnt dosing? Sometimes overdosing makes the espresso flavors fuller.
Remember that different coffees each have their own personal "sweet spot" to be a "god shot" depending on grind, origin, and bean size.
Also, unless you plan to drop $6k on a commercial grade home roaster, buy a Mypressi Twist etc. don't count on producing"god shos", very often. It is possible, just a lot more variables than at a cafe.
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10:34 am June 2, 2010
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The one variable I have never been absolutely certain about is brewing temperature, and I know that can be an issue on Silvia. I'd like to think it may be the acidity of the coffee, but I can't be sure. Also, I don't recall the last time I tried and SO in the Silvia, always someone else's blend, I am thinking it is time to get back to SO's.
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9:49 am June 2, 2010
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SO's are always my favorite. Do you think maybe the acidity is being brought out so intensely that is comes off as sour? I only say this because everything you are doing sounds right…
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8:19 am June 2, 2010
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I roast one of two blends. One is from Burman Coffee Traders and is simply called Espresso Blend – Special prep and the other is from OurCoffeeBarn and is called their Raging Bull blend. As a result I really have no idea what type of beans are in the blend. I would guess a typical base of a Brazilian or Guatemalen. Who knows what the rest is.
I do want to learn enough to practice creating my own espresso blend. I also want to do more experimenting with SO espressos.
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8:09 am June 2, 2010
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AofE aka Neil – What are you using for espresso? origin wise or does it always vary?
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1:05 am June 2, 2010
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Post edited 1:29 am – June 2, 2010 by ArtofExtraction
No. I have a Nuova Simonelli MCI doserless. You can see it just to the left of Silvia in the avatar photo.
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12:45 am June 2, 2010
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AofE – are you using a Rocky? Maybe it's your grinder (though the timing sounds right)?
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11:46 pm June 1, 2010
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Post edited 11:47 pm – June 1, 2010 by ArtofExtraction
I don't know that after even a year with my Silvia that I have managed to dial in my grinder. My shots look great, tiger striping and everything, but they are often sour — though they come in right at the 24 – 26 second mark. If any of you have any tips or tricks I would love to learn.
I used to have a Gaggia Espresso and I pulled some pretty good shots with it, but I have never pulled what I would consider to be a truly great shot with the Rancilio.
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7:39 pm June 1, 2010
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Post edited 7:41 pm – June 1, 2010 by Roast_De-gas_Drink_Repeat
In over 18 months on my current machine, 3 years on the previous and another 3 or 4 years with various junk machines, I have pulled the proverbial 'god shot' precisely once. Consistency is the name of the game and I try to do exactly the same things each time out.
Cold, filtered water. Freshly added to the tank (alas, no plumbed in equip, yet).
Measure your beans (some swear by weighing beans, but I haven't quite gone off that deep end yet).
Grind. This takes daily adjustments, sometimes even during the course of a day. Ambient temp, humidity, age of beans and quality of beans all mean tweaking your grind setting. With a proper and consistent tamp (see next point), you want 2 ounces / 25 ml of espresso in roughly 22 to 28 seconds. "2 in 25" is the mantra.
Tamp – I use an Espro tamper which has a clutch that 'gives' at precisely 30 pounds of pressure. My routine is one light push to flatten the grounds, one push to just past the clutch point, then 4 light and twisting tamps to polish.
Time your shots.
Taste and reflect; tweak as required/desired. Some of the data for me may not work for you or your machine.
The god shot was prob a little longer in the pull that I was aiming for. Might've been 27 or 28 seconds. I don't recall it pouring picture-perfectly, either (tiger stripping in mid pull, just before blonding). But the crema, body and taste were otherworldly. The finish was clear and lingering. Even the empty cup, 10 minutes later, smelled wonderful. No bitterness, no acrid smoke or acidic nose.
In time, I will upgrade my roaster, my grinder and my espresso machine, but I may never pull another perfect shot. I am OK with that. It's a damned fun game, where even near-misses are terrific.
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3:32 pm June 1, 2010
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@DanLacher I can't wait till you break down some of the skills for everyone in your post.
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1:23 pm June 1, 2010
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Yeah, on a given machine I first work on dialing in the grind and then move onto dosing. On the commercial machines the temp surfing is not really needed up but I do have a temp surf technique for my home Solis SL70. Depending on the humidity and temp the grind might need to be adjusted as you go.
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9:17 am June 1, 2010
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coffeewriter said:
I'm claiming to pull the perfect shot. I sorta had an advantage though. I have to pull perfect shots each drink on the manual machine at the cafe. AS far as my home machine, no.
Maybe one day I will have the opportunity to use a commercial machine. I would love to take a run at it. Silivia takes a lot of coaxing to get a great shot, perhaps a La Marzocco would make the difference — or better yet a Slayer.
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8:57 am June 1, 2010
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What a great excuse to pull more than one shot! Practice makes perfect; and, perhaps, jittery.
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8:44 am June 1, 2010
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BOSTON STARBUCKS REB said:
The hardest thing about espresso is finding the right grind because its so variable. On my machine I have to pull at least three shots to zero in correctly. Also, the temperature and pressure on it isn't the most stable so I have to "surf" to make sure I find the sweet spot. Practice, practice, practice!
The grind also changes throughout the day from temperature and other variables so it is just a matter of patience and practice. Youll find it.
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8:33 am June 1, 2010
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Post edited 8:42 am – June 1, 2010 by coffeewriter
I'm claiming to pull the perfect shot. I sorta had an advantage though. I have to pull perfect shots each drink on the manual machine at the cafe. AS far as my home machine, no.
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