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1:45 pm
August 16, 2010
OfflineOk, peeps… here's something I'm wanting to try:
Give me a recommendation for a coffee and tell me how to order it. (and if you don't mind, tell me what your special terminology means! … short pull!? wtf?)
If you want to recommend a cafe, bear in mind that I live in the Sacramento area and occasionally travel to San Francisco and San Jose on business.
I am a coffee noob here, so be gentle — remember, my favorite coffee right now is McD's regular iced and Peerless vanilla drip and Keurig cups!
Please, don't kill me with some heart-attack-inducing-eyes-rolling-back-in-the-head-stomach-acid-roiling concoction!
And yes, I'll let you know what I think about your recommendation as soon as I try it!
Thanks everyone! I'm looking forward to trying something new!
3:38 pm
March 13, 2009
OfflineJerry! I wish I knew you lived in Sacramento we could have gotten some coffee.
I just went visited Sacramento and here are 3 Coffee Shops I can recommend without question:
As far as drink goes I would say try an espresso, whole milk latte or cappuccino.
Let me know how your visit goes! – Jason
5:03 pm
August 16, 2010
OfflineHeck yeah! Next time you're in Sac, let me know!
I read your article on Chocolate Fish — and was going to head over there tomorrow, if I have some free time.
I'll have to schedule a trip to the other two week after next, since I'm going on vacation (a stay-cation!)
Keep up the good work!
11:12 pm
March 13, 2009
OfflineI can't wait to hear how your visit goes.
10:55 am
August 16, 2010
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Well, here's the result of my first adventure. Because I liked the post on Chocolate Fish so much, I decided to go ahead and visit this morning!
Soooo… because I'm a relative coffee newbie, I figured the Latte would be my best bet.
I'll be honest here, I was expecting to take a drink and have bitter coffee face, but no! I was actually very pleased that the Latte was very smooth and easy to drink (even when hot.)
I'm just learning the terms, so I won't even try to use Acidic/Body/etc. Let's just say that I truly enjoyed the cup — oh, and a blackberry scone, which was a little tart and sweet to go with the Latte. YUM!
The after taste was not bitter and left my mouth a little parched; but, not unpleasantly so!
The only bad thing I have to say about the Latte was that it might have had a little too much milk. Was ordering a medium the wrong thing to do? Would a small have had a greater coffee to milk ratio?
There were two baristas, one was an expert at making the foam look like a
heart, or perhaps a spade (depends on which side you look at) and the
other not so much. I got the "not so much" one. Go figure. The foam was still very pretty to look at!
Thanks, Jason, for the recommendation and terrific article on Chocolate Fish. You were right, it was a nice little place to grab a Latte!
I give it four cools and a happy!





12:07 pm
March 13, 2009
OfflineI am so glad you enjoyed it!!! Let me know if you ever check out the other 2 shops. Great story, really enjoyed reading this.
12:31 pm
May 17, 2010
OfflineGreat post Jerry. Good to see that you are "off and running" on your coffee journey. If you want a little more coffee flavor in your latte next time, just ask them to put in an extra shot. I'm with Jason, I really enjoyed reading about your experience. That is what coffee and the coffee culture is all about — experiencing your coffee. I look forward to your next post.
1:47 pm
August 16, 2010
OfflineGlad you liked the post! I'll try to visit the other places Jason mentioned as well. Finding parking in Sacramento isn't always easy, and adds about a dollar to the cost of a coffee, but it's worth it. 
Ever hear of Blue Bottle Coffee in San Francisco? I may be back in the city week after next and am going to swing by and try them out. They have a nice cafe at the Ferry Building. http://www.bluebottlecoffee.net/
So, any recommendations on how to proceed from here? Should I try the same Latte order at each place, to see how they vary from place to place? Or should I try to mix up my choices in order to experience the most?
2:48 pm
March 13, 2009
OfflineI would go for a solo espresso next time and if you want to play it safe order a latte to wash it down. :)
3:06 pm
May 17, 2010
OfflineJerry, just my opinion, but I would say to try different things until you find something that you truly enjoy, I would then try that thing at different places if you want to so that you can experience the difference from place to place — or just stick with it if you truly like it. I am with Jason though, at some point you need to try some quality espresso, a good pouir-over, a good French press, and many of the other means of brewing good quality coffee.
3:57 pm
August 16, 2010
Offline@Neil & @Jason great advice, thanks!!
I've had espresso before — but to be honest, it was at either Peets or Sbux. It tasted horribly burnt and was very bitter. That said, I'm absolutely willing to try it again however I don't have a point of reference for what it should taste like.
@Neil, is this what you mean by a pour-over? http://www.starbucksmelody.com…..-near-you/
6:18 pm
May 17, 2010
OfflineYes. I have a Chemex I use daily and it is substantially the same brew method, but you do a whole pot instead of a single cup.
8:44 pm
March 13, 2009
OfflineJerry I would give espresso another go at either temple coffee or chocolate fish. Neither of them had burnt tasting espresso. both of the other places you mentioned are pretty dark roasted in nature.
8:53 pm
May 17, 2010
OfflineJerry, I'm with Jason, if you have had espresso in the past you need to give it another go. Once you find a shop that knows what they are doing and you realize what you have been missing, you will be glad that you did.
9:30 pm
August 16, 2010
OfflineI absolutely intend to give espresso a try again. First thing tomorrow morning.
Thanks guys!
11:30 am
August 16, 2010
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Next up in my grand adventure; Temple Coffee (and an espresso!) Thanks to Jason for this recommendation.
Key item to remember here: I've never ever had a good espresso. Every time I've tried espresso in the past, it has tasted burnt and thick. You know that feeling? Where a tongue scraper would be nice?
Newbie barrier to entry #1: Too many sub-standard mass-market options and no reference point for quality.
Jason and Neil, I have to say… you were right. There is a huge difference… no, not just huge… phenomenally large… difference between what I just had and what I've had in the past. I will admit, now, that espresso probably isn't my cup of tea (yet,) as an every day drink, as it's a little too strong for my stomach.
I ordered my drink(s) as Jason recommended; a latte to go and espresso for here (braving the tiny little cup.) And immediately faltered when I was presented with a menu of options for my espresso: Single Origin, or… insert list of options here.
In a meek little voice, I responded, "uhm… whatever you recommend?" Her response was, "Hmm, I'm going to recommend the Los Andes, it's freakin' good."
Newbie barrier to entry #2: Too many options, with not enough explanation.
The chalkboard on the wall said "Single Origin: El Salvador – Los Andes" *gulp* Now, I know from reading through the forums and online that people generally work their way up to single origin. "Oh lord, what have I gotten myself into?" went through my mind.
The Barista promised to bring it right out to me, so I sat down to await my doom.
She brought out two cups, as you can see in the nice grainy little photo above (hey, it was dark in there!) One of which was that little tiny ceramic cup. She then stood there looking at me, while I sheepishly grinned and said "Thanks!"…
Newbie barrier to entry #3: AKA What Starbucks does right; newbies know how to get in line, and order from a bright menu with visual cues about the main product offerings. Private coffee houses are daunting and fraught with their own protocol that the usual clientele know well. I've personally avoided them because they always seemed snooty and I'm too bashful to just blaze my way in and order… I just don't know what to ask for!
The barista didn't leave! OMG she stood there! I had already tipped at the counter, was she expecting another tip? ack! So… I did what I've seen jason do in the videos! (LOL!!) I picked up the tiny mug and sniffed it and said "thank you" again, at which point she turned and left with a happy wave… yes, a WAVE! Did I miss some coffee connoisseur etiquette lesson here?
Newbie barrier to entry #4: Confusion about etiquette.
I don't really know how to describe the scent. It was a little musty, and made me feel like I was in an old library… how odd. so, I took a little sip and rolled it around my mouth and… Sourness? I quaffed the little mug full of oily looking stuff. And it hit me, this coffee tastes like muscadine. Sour muscadine. Muscadine is to the south what grapes are to Napa; I grew up in the south. The espresso did not taste burnt, nor did it have that cardboard box taste that I'd grown familiar with. Wow!
I can't say that I'd ask for that specific bean again, it wasn't terrible, just unexpected and not a flavor I would normally appreciate.
The Latte, however, was good with just the right amount of coffee and milk and a nice design in the foam. I had ordered a blackberry scone to go with the latte (detecting a trend yet?) I have to admit though, I prefer the taste of the latte at Chocolate Fish over this one. The Latte was good but I liked the nutty flavor of the previous Latte.
I give the espresso one cool, two happys, and two confuseds:





I give the latte three cools and two happys:





All-in-all, I'm very content with my experiment so far; Temple Coffee is definitely a worthy addition to my scorecard.
12:50 pm
May 17, 2010
OfflineAnother great post Jerry. I am really enjoying reading about your coffee experiments and experiences. SO origins can be difficult to pull of as espresso. I have heard great things about Intelligentsia – I know a lot of home baristas use their coffees. I think, given the right blend, you will really come to enjoy espresso.
1:38 pm
March 13, 2009
Offline@Jerry Your enthusiasm is phenomenal! I love how you are going for the gusto. You did amazing w/ the etiquette. That sourness is probably some sort of citrus acidity. Neil is right though single origins can be touchy but when done correctly are comparable to almost nothing. Great review!
1:58 pm
August 16, 2010
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Thanks for the votes of confidence guys, the amount and quality of advice I've been given is fantastic! It certainly is making something I've been wanting to do for quite a while… so much easier and worth while!
For the record, I actually went to the Temple Coffee at 1014 10th Street in Sacramento, not the one Jason visited at 2829 S Street. The one on 10th was a little more "hole in the wall"-ish and was easier for me to stop at on my commute.
I'm pretty stoked by the results so far, but I can tell there is so much more "depth" to this than I originally thought!
If I can ever find a way to repay the good-advice you two have given, I certainly will. 
@Neil, thanks for the advice on the roaster. I'll see if I can order some Intelligentsia for my enjoyment at home. Now, I just need something for my stay-cation next week! (YAY!)
FYI: I still have some of that sour taste in my mouth.
1:26 am
June 19, 2010
Offline@Jerry, I thoroughly enjoyed reading your coffee adventures. I look forward to your future posts. Did you down your espresso in 10 seconds like Jason?
@Jason, Why do you recommend a latte as an espresso chaser? Is just a cup of espresso too bold on it's own? I've never had an espresso, so I have no idea. My husband had one once and he said it was very thick and he's never had another since.
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